Masturbation isn't 'gravely disordered', as the Church has it. Grace is defined as an unmerited gift from God. I agree wholeheatedly that simply being angry at a religious perspective without finding that center within each of us that speaks/hears god/universe directly (without the need for a formal non-profit but money grubbing religious business acting as a substitute phone company) is actually a diminishment and detachement from our own deep spiritual connection to our higher selves and others. I can not be a part of it or even any type of spirituality. Um, no, I just have to have facts and proof. My deconversion began after 42 years of Catholicism. Psilocybin 2.0: Why Do We Have Reason to Believe? In fact, you could write a book about you came to terms with the harm they did to you. “You move them slowly into a position of greater unity. The term [recovering Catholic] struck me for the first time as a smug, self-satisfied, self-pitying kind of whine. Sexual self-exploration and fantasy is nothing more than the manifestation (at whatever age) of the reduction of other human beings to conduits for one's own selfish pleasures. But not all members of the UCSD community remain active churchgoers once they graduate. As for Hell, it's said to be a state that lasts forever---infinite punishment for finite 'crimes'. It is defecting from Christianity. Recently on The Patrick Madrid Show, Patrick read an e-mail from a self-described ‘recovering Catholic’ who is now a Protestant. Be sure to read the following responses to this post by our bloggers: I appreciate that you took on the discussion of "Recovering Catholics" as I am certainly in that camp -- Using the monicer "Recovering Catholic" is a good conversation animator i've come to discover -- especially around "Born again Christians". There are a lot of "Recovering Catholics" out there... a lot! For one who got so much out of the "Vatican II" years, in retrospect, what has emerged is truly horrific. This is not holiness. Our faith community welcomes you! What helps most is the idea that I know how to refute the fundamentalist mindset with Scriptural authority. In other words, barring some kind of miraculous economic recovery, the Church, at least in the U.S., ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Not easy, when I spent 15 years of my education in the Catholic Tradition. One day, I foresee, a Pope will be "slain in the Spirit" and when he gathers his senses and returns to the mundane he will initiate Vatican III and a true era of renewal and healing will take place including all Christians and men and woman of good will everywhere. May God bless all and everyone. I don't want to belong to a church with such people, period. KALAMAZOO, MI -- A deacon at a Kalamazoo church is recovering after being attacked and stabbed outside of a church earlier this month. One wants to be fair. The dualism has crippled Catholic teaching for centuries, causing it to support war, slavery, capital punishment, and capitalism. I agree with you that no such god could be called a god of love but at the same time a proper notion of hell wouldn't dispense with the serious possibility of a soul eternally closing themselve's off from the free love and mercy of God. Spirituality should come before dogma. People have said to me, "You just have to have faith". First, you have only experienced a very small part of the Church, which is very, very large. While serving as a full-time pastoral associate at St. Ignatius Loyola, a Jesuit parish in Manhattan’s Upper East Side, O’Connor saw attendance at one evening Mass triple to more than 300 attendees. The Church is like a very big family. Most people donate because Catholic Online is useful. “When new people come, they will only keep coming if they meet somebody, if it catches. STD's, wedlock births, broken hearts and families and psychological damage are all avoided by disciplined and constant sexual continence and life long monogamous marriages. The egg was a science demonstration of air pressure. But the Catholic Church itself is in fact monolithic and totalitarian. If Catholic Online has given you $5.00 worth of knowledge this year, take a minute to donate. The diocesan clergy often are different from the Jesuits or the Dominicans, or the Franciscans. Father Peter Cullen, rector of St. Paul’s Episcopal Church in Brooklyn, sees firsthand the wisdom that people gain while outside the Roman Catholic Church. Sorry, but get over it. Those were better days. The best I can do is remind myself that THIS may be IT. And that something must be another religion. Even if those who abused you have never repented and will never repent, you will remain their prisoner as long as you cling to the chains of anger that bind you to them. The Catholic Church would do well to study it. There are now countless Catholic-based addiction treatment centers that are directly affiliated with the Church and Church agencies across the U.S. God's love is such that He would have created all of it just for you, if you were the only one ever to love Him back. Communicating church teaching often means striking a balance between affirming particular teachings and acknowledging the reality of parishioners’ experiences. It is better to know that this infestation exists, so that the remedy may be applied, than tohave it fester unseen. He avoided describing any particular institution or religous body, instead portraying a principle of spiritual insight, which, if properly understood would address the situation in the Church today. The NT has it that "We love Him because He first loved us". This vision properly maintains the serious possibility of hell while not painting the ridiculous picture of a petty god ready and anxious to send one to everlasting torture. The effects linger and affect every aspect of my life. Many Recovering Catholics hold a lot of anger and rage..a lot!. So what can a recovering Catholic use for a new route? There is disagreement, however, about the when. The Epistles clarify the ministry of Jesus and make it clear that God is love and love is of God. So LIVE without fear and go for what you want out of life. Sure, there is a lot to complain about regarding the Catholic Church. Our Christ-centered Catholic community welcomes, serves and guides people to a life of holiness. I find the article helpful and mature, and I understand the writer's point of view. “From a distance, they realize a lot of times that they are not leaving the Catholic faith, but they’re leaving a particular priest or a localized Catholic expression of the Catholic faith.”. And I can hardly forget that I was 11 years old when the Church threatened ME with eternal torture because I was a normal child starting to grow up and have sexual feelings. I'm going out on a limb with this blog post by suggesting to them...consider coming on back. Yeah right. For me, being a Recovering Catholic means that when I hurt or am hurt, I rely on the grace of God to bring reconciliation and peace in that situation—to recover what was lost or broken—and do my best to effect that good outcome. Joan Horn, a coordinator for Landings International, says many of the alienated Catholics she encounters are misinformed about church teaching. Catholic Church and Recovery. We work hard to retain people who are angry, indifferent, incompetent, or broken. I think you could benefit from therapy. Similar to Carrano’s approach, Horak chooses not to hit people over the head with what the church says. They bear the whips and scorns of secularists who defend a culture that is sacrificing their own daughters and sons for the sake of the pleasures they themselves want to "benefit" from. In other words, even a young teenager who masturbates or has a spicy daydream can be sent to endless torture for it! The Catholic Church controls members with fear, not love. I see a lot of Episcopals who were once Catholics for example. This is interesting, given the fact that I know of no Catholics with whom I could have such a conversation. The capacity for renewal in the Church is ever-present. This is an organization with a hierarchy of bishops all over the world. The comments of "recovering Catholics" are evidence that the Church has not been faithful to her mission. Some are highly conservative while others are very liberal. The damage I sustained over 16 years of catholic schools (8 with the jesuits) was not physical ( although I had a near-miss in "grammar" school) but spiritual. The fact that such people exist may not be reason to leave anyway, if one knows that God has accepted you. One should seek out an environment of unconditional love in another environment. Try to make your way to the part of the family that you love most. If you donate just $5.00, or whatever you can, Catholic Online could keep thriving for years. Welcome to the Catholic Community of Fort Recovery, Ohio. The Rapture is a “snatching away” of the Church by Jesus prior to, or at some point during, the End Times Great Tribulation. Old St. Joseph’s, he adds, is perceived as being welcoming to those who feel alienated, and sometimes a “last step” for people considering leaving the church. Confession. You can't have a 2,000 year old institution that currently includes over a billion members without plenty of challenging issues that are embarrassing, unflattering, and even horrific. The "unforgiveable sin" the "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is the rejection of God's mercy and forgiveness. 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